Giving X-Men In The MCU more thought…
The X-Men has so many ties to the Marvel larger world its hard to contemplate how their introduction into the franchise could happen. That being said i feel there is alot of elements that i missed out on so i wanted to break them down and show how many connections there are which could really upgrade the MCU universe. So what i am going to do is discuss my views on the MCU possible introductions and set ups of certain properties that fall within the Marvel comics world but also reasons and means of which they could be included into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I will do this in blocks of subjects.
Now the Illuminati was originally made up of 6 members, created by Brian Mcihael Bendis who wrote the initial intro of the characters in the Marvel Comics. The 6 members he had in his Illuminati in his words was to represent a certain something that is very special to the Marvel Universe. The Members are
Tony Stark/Iron Man
Read Richards/Mr Fantastic
Im gonna over simplify the special elements of each into 1 word.
Iron Man = Human
Namor = Antihero
Mr.Fantastic = Science
Black Bolt = History
Dr.Strange = Magic
Professor X = Mutant
Now in my previous blog post i kind of broke down why i thought the likes of Namor, Black Bolt, and Dr.Strange wouldnt be part of this line up in the MCU. It mostly comes down to my view that to introduce the Illuminati into the MCU you would need to have history with the characters. Meaning the members would exist prior to events of endgame. Even as far back as Iron Man 2, even further back probably years before Iron Man 1. To include these characters prior to Iron Man 1 would then make you suggest, well where have they been for 23 odd movies. So the rumour is Namor is going to be introduced in Black Panther 2, Black Bolt appeared in the tv series which are defunct Marvel characters so probably wont be seen again for a long time and not considered canon in the MCU timeline. and then when we look at Dr.Strange the problem would be that He appeared and spoke with Tony Stark in Infinity War and dies and returns during Endgame for stark to die. So chances of him being an original member very slim. same for all three. In order for the illuminati to exist it would have to be predicated on representing the same factors albiet maybe variations of and on Iron Man setting it up.
So giving it alot of thought, and the time scale of which the characters could exist, this is my list of Illuminati members.
Tony Stark/Iron Man = Human = Founder
Bruce Banner/Hulk = Antihero
Reed Richards/Mr.Fantastic = Science
Dane Whitman/Black Knight = History
Dr.Eric Selvic = Space/Magic
Professor X = Mutant
Now my reasoning behind this line up is as follows. Tony Stark didnt trust the government with his tech but ultimately sided with them over the accords. He also never really trusted shield, and military he probably wouldnt trust them too, even though his best friend Jim Rhodes/War Machine is military and also Stark Enterprise made weapons originally. So i figure The Illuminati would be a creation seperate from any guided view points. And with the members i suggest above it would make sense these people would be his ideal picks so lets break that down.
Tony Stark and Bruce Banner has great chemistry, this is probably because they are both super smart but have trust issues. Remember Banner wanted to stay hidden didnt want to be found and Shield has taken procautions against Hulk. So you could imagine that Tony and Bruce shares the same distrust. But what makes them different is that Tony was the Human hero aspect, where as Banner didnt want to call upon the hulk making him somewhat the Anti-Hero. so that fits the place in the illuminati lineup perfectly.
Dr.Eric Selvic is an interesting aspect. as i was trying to figure out how Magic would be an element, its simply that it didnt exist enough to have a specialist Tony would of known about. The biggest character to fill it would of been Dr.Strange but Dr.Strange didnt exist and their is no indication that Stark knew or communicated with The Ancient One or Bleaker street. So whats the nearest Stark has to Magic, unexplianable science and space. So this draws me to the world of Thor, but the problem with Thors world is that there is a strict line between the two. Either Thor is on earth or hes not, so hes unreliable. and there is no mix asgaurdian transfers either. Which then brings me to who studied Thor, with Janes reseach but we know that Darcy was involved with Wandavision, and Jane is set to be in the next Thor movie as a Thor herself. That left me with Eric Selvic, now out of all of them, he was possessed by an asgaurdian, he knows the fables and mythology and has been studying that science. I figure after what happened in the first avengers movie hes pretty much free from working with the likes of Shield. which makes it perfect for Tony to pick him up as his Space/Magic expert.
Now Dr.Reed Richards and Professor X are speculation but depending on how they are introduced would also make sense. infact in my previous post its predicated on The Illuminati creating the X-Men. and if you read my Fantastic Four intro to MCU then well i explained how they could of existed during the whole time.
Which then leads me to Dane Whitman who is going to act as the Historian, my view is that with Whitmans involvement with the Eternals that Dane and Stark may have known about each other before, its hard to tell what Danes involvement is prior to seeing The Eternals but despite being the superhero Black Knight he has his own history. So my thoughts are Dane probably existed in Starks radar for having historical knowledge prior to whatever we find out in Eternals. And lets say Dane has been researching the eternals for a long long time then it would make sense that Stark probably knew about his research and looking to form his own superpowered team would be looking for anything like this as a red flag for his consideration. but again until we see the Eternals movie and we get to know exactly what Dane Whitman is all about its hard to say.
so that is my views on who the Illuminati would be if they show up in the MCU.
Given that Stark is now dead, i feel that his death paves the way for Phase 4 set ups and also the future. woven throughout the whole phase 4 connective stories.
With Starks death you have essentially an Illuminati member missing, who leads it, and who takes over the Human aspect role. I dont have an answer for that mostly because i feel the members of the illuminati if revealed in the MCU will either be a one off event and set up other things and members wont necessarily be replaced but evolve into something else. Like through Professor X’s envolvement and Starks untrusting nature of government powers owning superheros you could say that is a foundation builiding block for the creation of the X-Men.
Next Subject: How do you connect the villians that hasnt appeared yet in the mcu?
Bolivar Trask the creator of the Sentinal programe i see as a reverse Tony Stark. hell even his last name is a rearrngement of stark. with Tony gone there will be alot of contenders to replace him and when you think about it, starks vision of a suit of armour around the world could be the jumping point of the sentinal program.
Magneto – his children are already in the MCU as Quicksilver albiet dead and Scarlet Witch who will play a prominant part in Phase 4. They kind of explained their intro in WandaVision including their parents but as we know parent reveal has been a presence in the MCU before, remember Red Skull revealing information about Black Widow and Clint Barton. I figure those parents you believe to be Scarlet Witches and Quicksilvers were adoptive parents and Magneto to appear in some form in the future maybe sooner than we realise. So the question would be where is he, where has been, what happened to him and so forth. Given that he is considered a bit of an extremist its more likely he got himself locked up. I think back to one of the better scenes i saw in X-Men Apocalypse – not saying thats a good film, but there is a few scenes in it which do stand out pretty good, that is the one where Michael Fassbender as Magneto has a normal life rasing a child and they find out hes a mutant his family get killed. That scene in X-Men Apocalpyse was probably one of the few great Dramatic episodes that they should borrow to Magnetos origin into the MCU. I figure that Something happened and Mangetos family was captured, Magneto ends up captured and imprisoned but his children went into adoption. But because the children was really young they dont remember him or their mother. And we could then also explain that the Blip maybe the cause that freed him and hes been on a journey to find out whats been happening ever since.
Apocalypse – Hes a character the MCU should avoid using a a villian but not at least have him cameo. He is part of the fabric of history so i figure that with the inclusion of Kang The Conquer being a presence now in the MCU there should be at least a cameo or guideline their to explain what Apocalypse was maybe with a historical event. Like we see Apocalpyse as the first mutant on earth that Kang mentored. but this all takes place in Egypt and we never find out what happens to Apocalpyse but you get the sense hes in hybernation. Maybe a seed for something they could revist many years later. Just like how Thanos was teased in parts throughout the MCU phases 1-3.
Mr.Sinister – a great villian that hasnt been given the best screen treatment. His views are really unique as he isnt a mutant but a mutate. he was obessed with mutants and how it could elevate him to a power beyond the normal. It also brings in the ethical treatements of mutants and so forth. With the world in the MCU way it is right now, this does bring in a whole ethical behaviour perspective that would be great. But where would he sit in the MCU? I think what you are going to find out is that the world has been creating their own Avengers and more prominatly they will start to appear, with the likes of the UK’s Excalibur hinted at with Dane Whitmans introduction, then you also have the Red Gaurdian from Black Widow movie, not doubt Alpha Flight the canadian superhero team would make an appearance some day. Which brings me back to Mr.Sinister, i figure different countries different rules on ethics Mr.Sinister would probably be somewhere in the fold of creating mutants or mutates for this world. He could be anywhere from working in Weapon X programe, to working in the facility that captures mutants in the Sentinal Programe… there is alot of ways he could be introduced and build upon.
Moleman – it is my oppinion that he should be the first villian the fantastic four should encounter – i believe that Dr.Doom is always used as the big bad but he is a very complex charactr. I figure he needs a build up before the fantastic four goes toe to toe with. Which is why he should be nothing more than a cameo maybe a large cameo in the Fantastic Four movie. But the reason i say the main villain of the first Fantastic Four movie should be Moleman is because when you read into the origins of the character, he has alot of ties with Deviants. and as we know that the MCU is going down the Deviants/Eternals extra with the Eternals movie it would make sense that Deviants are going to be a part of the story that leads to mutants. As fantastic four is to appear before X-Men it would make Moleman a brilliant oppertunity to explore some of the biggest connections to the mutant world. Plus it grounds Fantastic Four to an earth based conflict which you could isolate away from the rest of the world. meaning Fantastic Four could of happened before the blip around the blip and just after it.
There are so many villains to cover and so many options im not going to go into them all but to give you some idea just going to briefly summarise some factors – Time Travels a things – Cable/Bishop? Alternate realities too with the Multiverse. Which makes time displacement a thing. Space is getting bigger so does that mean earth will play a more prominate role – secret invasion is going to be a story, a skrull kree war will occure at some point. And what is going to happen with the Hulk now Tony is gone and hes basically damaged with one good arm. does he get that fixed?
im going to leave the blog there because i want to pick up on more stuff later one and ill post that into another post maybe a part 2 to this.