Fantastic Four – Let’s talk about it

So marvel announces the fantastic four cast with graphic depicting cast of the core main four leads.

Interesting choices, I do not have much to say on the casting because the only actor I know in this is Pedro Pascal and it’s an interesting choice for Reed Richards. But guessing how good an actor will be in the role it’s too early to really figure out. So I won’t delve into this, or speculate.

Instead my focus would be what is the story going to be about? Well the image provided gives us a unique view which is it seems themed 1963 era. How do we know this well the magazine the thing is reading can be identified as the life magazine December issue.

So the Fantastic Four movie is going to be set in the 60’s? Hmmm this on its own asks multiple speculation and questions one being where have they been all this time if they was turned into superheroes in the 60’s. Well…

Here’s my thoughts. Setting it in 1963 would of been around the time Nasa Mercury mission to put a man in space occurred. Which kind of gives an interesting take on what the fantastic four would be doing in space. They are simply trying to be the first usa astronauts in space.

Why this is interesting is because previously they have explained the fantastic four getting there powers from some kind of experiment or cosmic event in space. So it’s a fictional reason for them to be there and get there abilities.

But setting it in 1963 kind of gives this story more reality. No fictional reason for them to be there. They simply could of been a group trying to be some of the first astronauts in space. And with that something happens to them before they there return to earth which gives them there abilities.

I like this because it grounds them in reality where as previously they have been seen as the same old troupe of accident happens during there mission that gives them there super abilities.

It’s fresh and bold way to revive them and give them purposes. So now the big question. What happens after and do they exist in the future or current present of the marvel universe.

So here is my thoughts, if the fantastic four is going to be a franchise they can’t stay in the 60’s especially if they want to interact with future based characters. So time travel has to be a part of the story.

The other route could be they stay in the 60’s and explains there induction into early shield as we know Hank Pym was doing missions as Antman in the 70’s and so forth. So shield had super powered heroes on there roaster since Steve Roger’s creation. Maybe even before, I mean they had a variation of the other human torch at the stark expo in Captain America the first avenger. Not the Johnny storm fantastic four but still.

I like both routes but as much as it would be cool to set up a 60’s-00’s era of superheroes predating Iron Man would be kind of a cool prequel addition. I feel that it isolated the fantastic four to only that era.

So time travel to the future gives them the most flexibility.

They could do a whole lost in space and time change differences to explain the time travel too. It travels away from earth time on the ship is different to earth so time moves slower for them than those on earth by time they make it back it’s the future. Which is a possibility they could do. Or they just get pushed instantly into the future.

Now between the two scenarios kind of gives you some avenues to explore. 1. If they get lost in space and find there way home but as time was slower for them they missed out on 70 years of history on earth. If that’s the case then the movie would have to feature a space adventure which is interesting. They would have to explain how they got there powers but also the villain would be alien. And one that I could see them coming across i Annihilus – I mean you could explain Galactus and silver surfer and even have that also part of the Plot but I’m guessing it would include Celestials and possible connections to the Eternals.

But let’s say, Annihilus becomes the villian as the first herald of Galactus and gets defeated by the fantastic four. Annihilus is of that level of villain he could be one and done story and not have to deal with them in the future but the fanatic four defeating Galactus herald means Galactus needs a new herald aka silver surfer and they set there eyes on the civilisation that destroyed its first herald four humans and there from earth setting up the coming of Galactus for a future appearance.

Fantastic four come back to earth but the ear is current times of marvel films and Met by Nick Fury

That’s the lost in space route.

Second route in my oppinion is more likely would involve Von Doom but with a generation of Von Dooms. Say Victors dad was a major funder of the project and lost alot of money from the failed mission resulting in the fantastic four going missing. Victors dad dies over time and his son Victor takes up his fathers business and now ruler of Latvaria. Upon hearing of the fantastic fours return in the future where dooms son Victor now in char he, doom seeks revenge (pre-secret wars story agenda) Victor seeks to reclaim lost profit from the fantastic four and thus attempts to steal information they found. Eventually learning about the multiple universes from there data setting up the secret wars future. But prior to that Victor becomes more like his Von Doom persona gaining the armour and abilities and mask maybe based on stark tech he purchased. (A nod to armour wars) the new/old fantastic four defeat Doom but only causing doom to retreat into his plan of secret war.

So there we have it. This is my anjalysis is based on one image released.

What if the marvel MCU and fox x-men universes diverged at a single point

What if… 615 is the fox universe with mutants and 616 is the MCU and all what happened was a simple change that split the two universes on different paths.

My theory is simply this, sometime during the early 19th century mutants didn’t exist. No wolverine, no magneto, no Professor X, no x-men no mutants. Because of this we get the MCU universe. Super human serum invented leading to Captain America and extra. But if mutants had existed then the avengers and most of the MCU timeline probably didn’t happen. Let me explain.

Super Human Serum & Weapon X Program

In the comics they both happened around the same time and kind of connected but we’re talking movie universe. See in the X-Men world, mutants existed. There for research into creating a super human probably would have been replaced by the weapon x Programmes. Turning humans into mutants. Not everyone knows mutants exist but those that did tried to utilise this in the weapon x programs. So instead of Captain America being the hero of world war 2. It became Wolverine, wolverine literally replaces Captain America. There for Steve Rogers probably never got into the army as no super human program the project probably went to other scientists.

Iron Man & Sentinel Programs.

With mutants starting to appear, sentinels became the suit of armour around the world and based on the x-men films this happened in the 70’s so if sentinels was allowed to continue where does that leave stark industries. Well, there is a lot of implications here. Does shield exist? Maybe Howard stark went to work with bolvair trask. And eventually maybe Tony stark would be working in a trask lab because no obediah stain causing Tony to become iron man.

Avengers & X-Men

With mutants being the bigger threat. Possibly be no Nick fury assembling an avengers. Maybe shield exist but it’s origin is largely connected to Captain America but if no super soldier serum no shield? Well there could be more than one way shield gets invented. So shield could exist but the threat is mutants not humans. So maybe Nick Fury worked or helped Professor X to create the x-men. Ok that’s not in the x-men movies but if Nick who isn’t a mutant needs to create a task force for mutants you could either find someone like Professor x to help him create the x-men but be a silent partner. Or Nick could have been in the background of the weapon x programe. But alas no avengers because you have the x-men

Again, because of Captain America you basically have the response of how shield was created leading to Howard stark and then Tony then iron man and of course hulk. So none of this happens as no super human serum.

Eternals & Apocalypse

It is possible that Apocalypse lays dormant in the MCU. The x-men universe doesn’t really delve too much into ancient history. Other than apocalypse in Ancient Egypt – but say something happened and mutants didn’t exist in the future. No x-men first class characters to awaken apocalypse, then he still lays dormant. Given that apocalypse is embed with celestial technology that too can make sense given we have been introduced to them in Eternals

But if mutants existed wouldn’t Thanos still be looking to wipe out half the universe to stop the Celestials? With infinity stones.

Well maybe not. Remember I said an event that wiped out the mutants sometime in the early 19th century. What if that even was on Titan and Thanos was wiped out and died on his planet when the Celestial awoken. No Thanos no infinity stones right. But how does that lead to no mutants on earth?

Well, with no mutants on earth no need to hide the infinity stones. And one of them could have been used to wipe out mutants. Who would do that? What about a coven of witches? Like Agatha all along?

She’s been around along time. And tesseract is on earth, but so is the reality stone. And what could you change with the reality stone….

And that is my theory.